SMARTMOUNT2025 is the industry’s first fiber optic detection solution, upgrading our traditional SMARTMOUNT with a fiber optic connection between the Bell Camera and GS2 Processor. SMARTMOUNT2025 allows for a greater range than traditional Power over Ethernet (PoE) methods and is virtually impervious to electromagnetic interference (EMI) to deliver flawless communication performance.

In this webinar, we cover the following:

1. Fiber Optic Fundamentals

2. Overview and best practices of GRIDMSMART’s SMARTMOUNT2025 Installation

3. The difference between Fiber vs CAT5E

4. Items within the FASTConnect Toolkit for Fiber Termination

5. What is GRIDSMART’s Fiber Certification Program?

Keep scrolling to read the full transcript of the webinar below!

Kristen (00:00):

To ensure that we have enough time for the Q and A at the end. We’re going to go ahead and get started. Good afternoon, everybody. Thank you for joining us today for our webinar. Wednesday, today is SMARTMOUNT2025 fiber at the intersection. My name is Kristen Bridgers. I’m part of the marketing team here at GRIDSMART. I will be moderating today’s webinar. All that means is that I’ll be fielding. Any questions that you might have to our presenter and panelists, and I’ll be keeping track of and managing our time today. Our presenter is Carl Shaw. Carl is senior director at GRIDSMART and has been an integral part in the development and implementation of SMARTMOUNT2025. Along with Carl, we have panelists from partner companies who will be available to answer questions. We have Derek Johnson from EtherWAN who specializes in connectivity. We also have Michael Olsen from AFL, who is an expert in all things, fiber optics.

Kristen (01:04):

And lastly, we have GRIDSMART’s own Matt Greenoe, who leads our field services team. So do you have questions during the webinar, please use the Q and A feature. You can find the Q and A feature in the control bar at the bottom of your screen, simply click Q and A, a window will open type your question. And one of the members of our panel will type the answer, or your question will be answered, aloud at the conclusion of the presentation without further ado, I’m going to hand it over to Carl to get started. Carl

Carl (01:42):

Greetings everybody. Thank you for taking time to attend this webinar. Before we get into the fiber and the fiber technology GRIDSMART implement, I’d like to define term all, but using a lot called a closed system in this application or closed system in general was when the environment does not affect the application in our, our implementation. We’re using the term closed system means that everything, all the interconnects, all the devices and everything has been characterized and it’s provided by GRIDSMART. You’re not interfacing to any third party devices of any kind. So that’s pretty important cause I’ll be using the term closed system a lot throughout the presentation. Mmm Hmm.

Carl (02:35):

It’s a little slow here. Give me a second. Sorry. I assume everybody, or hopefully everybody is familiar with the GRIDSMART system or at least most people are today. What we’re going to be talking about though is the SMARTMOUNT connectivity, which is the internet connect solution between the GS2 processor and a SMARTMOUNT bell. With the introduction of fiber, we now have two closed solutions. We can either do a CAT5E, or we can do a fiber and what this presentation will do, we’ll go through the advantages, the technology [inaudible] okay. I ever in this inner connect closed systems by, it’s basically the transmission of digital data or the be of light or photons on some sort of glass or fiber medium, that’s all it is. It’s nothing fancy. All you’re doing is taking electrical safety signals and transmitting digital. [inaudible]

Carl (03:34):

It in a form of light or photons, nothing more than that. So first of all, then it’s just a fiber versus cable. Like everything else in engineering it’s cost versus performance. What does fiber give you? It gives you much better distance. It gives you basically gives you noise immunity. And finally it gives you bandwidth or higher bits per second. So those are the advantages. Like anything else? Fiber does have a cost relatively speaking, a higher cost compared to cable. So in fiber, there are two types of technologies that multimode, and there’s a single mode. One key point is that that the multimode and single mode are not interchangeable. So why did GRIDSMART? There’s the multimode fiber one? It supports, it supports our system requirements. Because we are a closed system. We knew what the distance would be. We knew where our IP camera transmits on a hundred megabits per second. So by using multimode, we were able to have a lower cost solution fundamentally, but the key is we are a multimode you cannot use single mode fiber in a multimode environment. So just keep that in mind.

Carl (04:55):

So what is a media converter? Basically a media converter does converts the electrical signals into light or photons and, and vice versa. So one of the big difference with media converters with traditional ethernet technology, autumn negotiations not support it. So fundamentally that means if your devices are transmitted at a hundred megabits, your media converters have to support that. They’re not going to auto negotiate between gigabit a hundred megabits, 10 megabits. It’s fundamentally, it’s not again, our media converters work at a hundred megabits per second. Mmm. This is a block diagram of the media converter that GRIDSMART developed in conjunction with ether land. Mmm. Couple of things that we’ve improved because it was a custom design. We added some capabilities and features to it. The two major features we added were the surge and reverse fertility protection. One of the issues you have is this is going to be running outside where you have lightning. So you have to be able to basically have surge protection from, from EMI through lightning. And again, we’re connecting a, in this case, a 16 gauge wire terminal block. And we didn’t want to be, we didn’t want to have a chance of blowing the camera though. While [inaudible]. So this was developed again, it was a custom design developed with ether, and while they did the electronics, they edit their, our, Our features, we put it into an IP 67 cases. You can see enclosure, as you can see on the side.

Carl (06:37):

So today this is what a CAT5 implementation looks like. As you can see, you have the [inaudible] talking to an EPM, which is fundamentally surge protection going across like a cat5 cable through two repeaters. So a junction box, which is the surge protection for the a camera, which is on a luminaire arm or mask arm. And again, there’s, these are the issues with doing this. First of all, you have four additional connections that have to be done and have to be basically watertight. Number two, these, the repeaters can never be more than 300 feet from each other. That’s not a GRIDSMART spec. That’s an industry, either net spec and finally the total distance between the camera and the processor can never exceed 900 feet. Again, that’s an ethernet spec. It has nothing to do with GRIDSMART. So the other issues you have with a running CAT, why you have grounding loops giving the longer the distance, the more chance you have for ground loops and finally, the longer the distance, the more, the greater chance you have for noise by moving to fiber. What did we get here with the SMARTMOUNT2025 Fiber? First of all, all you have to do is pull one composite fiber cable is indoor outdoor rated it’s multi-mode. OM3 with four strands.

Carl (08:00):

Why, and why do we have four strands? We have a hundred percent redundancy. So if there is a problem with one of the strands, you don’t have to pull a new cable. So we actually have like I said, a hundred percent redundancy. And finally we have 16 gauge power and ground for the Poe, which basically powers the, the IP camera. Then you had two media converters. These are identical media converters with different money and hardware. One goes miles to the bottom of the SMARTMOUNT kit, the other [inaduible] side of the traffic cap. So that is how you move from a CAT5 to a, basically a fiber system at GRIDSMART.

Carl (08:39):

So the advantage is the SMARTMOUNT2025, compared to our CAT5E implementation it’s 900 feet, just 2000. Our fiber is designed to run a 2000 feet, a hundred megabits, just let everybody know a hundred megabits. Multimode fiber has a distance of over 6,000 feet. Okay. We for voltage loss, I’m on a 16 gauge wire. We limited the distance of 2000 feet. Second. So again, that is the distance from the [inaudible] to the camera. Again, 2000 feet maximum, the noise immunity what, you know, you don’t have power lines. You don’t have led luminaires. You don’t have strike lightening strikes. And actually one place. We actually had electric train that would put out so much noise that it would crash the system. So fundamentally this removes all noise, both RFI and EMI noises, sources, finally it eliminates ground loops through the optical isolation. So you don’t have to worry about there’s no electrical clinic connection between ether transmitted received between the GS2 and the camera. So you don’t have to worry about ground loops, which is always a pain. And again, ground loops are, you know, environmental can change based on the environment, different water and the soil, everything else. So we eliminate the ground loop problem.

Carl (10:01):

Oh, a little traffic up there power power to the, to the camera power. Power over ethernet. However you want to look at it fundamentally today, if you’re running a CAT5E you’re running the power on two 24 gauge wires at that at 900 feet that has the total resistance of 11.5 homes, which we do the math. I showed you down below with a 48 volt power supply. We get about 32 volts to the camera. And that 32 volts of the camera then is both for the heating element and the IP camera. Again, our cameras have a heating element for the people who live up North. So now you have basically 32 volts go into the camera with the 16 gauge wire at a thousand feet, you can go through the math again. You can see, we now get 41 bolts up to the IP camera.

Carl (10:57):

So fundamentally the heating element to get a higher, even at 2000 feet was 16 gauge wire. You have 36 volts at the IP camera, just to let everybody know if you ever wanted to run it a mile. If somebody strong enough to pull 12 gauge wire, you can literally pull 12 gauge wire 5,000 feet. And your chamber voltage is still exceeds the the power over. Even at cap five, our system today, our enclosure today does not support the 12 gauge 5,000 feet. I want everybody to know, We are limited to 2000 feet, but I just wanted to give you guys an idea of the, basically the electronics behind it for the power.

Carl (11:41):

Okay. This is the SMARTMOUNT2025 kit. As you can see if you ever looked at this compared to the SMARTMOUNT kit, the only thing, our difference is that is the inclusion. No, the two media converters, this one goes at the, in the app, the traffic cabinet, this one here goes at the bottom of the pole was you can see the difference in mounting hardware. Also is very important to know you have to, or the cable separately. So this the SMARTMOUNT2025, when you order it, it does not include the fiber table. But again, if you look at a SMARTMOUNT kit, is it VPM has replaced with a media converter at a junction box at the bottom of the pole is replaced with a media converter. Everything else within the system remains the same, including the cables that go from the processor to the media converter and from the camera to the media converter, same technology, same, same stuff.

Carl (12:37):

Now, one of the things that we did or we realized early on in the fiber program was termination. So one of the things that we did, we worked with AFL and we’ll go through that a little bit more, but what we did was develop a tool kit or a cane, the case, believe it or not is functions both as a case to carry the tools, as you can see, and it functions as a, as a workspace that can be either used up about the track we’re down at the cabinets. And what’s really nice about this. As you can see right here, this is the Cleaver that is from AFL and is permanently mounted. And then what you do is on each side you have clamps that you put the fiber cable through. So you’re now able to connect the fiber cable, then have your hands free. Both hands are literally free to actually do the termination and all the tools that you need to do. The termination are here in the back end. And when you’re done, you fold it up and you carry it like a briefcase. So again, our FastCONNECTED tool kit, I it’s carrying case also opens up port functions as a working surface.

Carl (13:51):

Next, this is, it’s a show of the tools in here. As you can see, you got a cable ring cutter cleaners, you got the Cleaver, which the wire strippers, the pen. One of the things I want to talk about was the AFL optical power meter. Because again, this is a closed system. We are, we have been able to characterize everything in the system and we build a attenuation model for worst case. So after you do a termination, if you measure anything greater than minus 23 DB loss, that means you do not have a, what we call an optimal termination when you terminate. What’s really good about this. This is never a marginal thing, 23 DB or less, you know, you’ve got a great termination [inaudible] and the other three terminate. And that’s what the optical power meter from AFL does. It lets you basically confirm the quality of your termination.

Carl (14:46):

If anybody wants to look at more, these are the links to all the AFL tools that’s in our tool kit. Like I said, you got the Cleaver, the power meter the fast connect connectors. And then of course the one-click cleaner. So I’m going give you a little, Oh, I guess GRIDSMART history. In 2018, we kicked off a joint development program for the fighter technology with both AFL and EtherWAN. So we spent a year working with them, developing the technology. In 2019, we conduct, we started conducting a very diversified field trial sites. And when I say diversified, I mean, we were in Arizona, we were in Canada, we were in Wisconsin. We were in Texas. We were in New York. We were in Georgia. So what we did was get as much for lack of a better word as, as diverse environmental conditions as possible, anywhere from the frigid Canadians to the deserts of Arizona mean basically what we did. So we spent 2019 conducting the old trials. That basically proved the technology, met the environmental of our industry requirements of our industry. In early 2020, We started GRIDSMART customer installations, which means the FAE actually had the do the installation. So what we’ve done is we use the first half of 2020,

Carl (16:14):

To basically final, refine and finalize the installation procedure. So now we’ve been acquired three, four months of actually doing field installations with the FAEs, taking that feedback and refining the installation procedure. Now the goal is in late 2020, or basically at INTERSECT, is kickoff a certification class, the certification class, then will include the toolkit. We’ll definitely include the FastCONNECT toolkit. And then after you go through the certification class, you will then be certified to install the SMARTMOUNT2025. And again, this will be the FAES. We’ll do the training regionally for all of our contractors and customers. That’s a pretty much overview of it. I guess we can open this up for questions now.

Kristen (17:08):

Thanks Carl. We do have a few questions that I think will have some great debate. The first one is from Derek. He has a good question. Custom cable sounds expensive and not readily available for repairs. What is GRIDSMART doing to minimize that? Also people would be assumed sole source, which can get difficult with certain funding sources.

Carl (17:35):

Well, first of all, it is not going to be sole sourced. It’s dual sourced. The cable is actually dual source.

Carl (17:43):

And because of, cause what we were able to do was multimode you could say that could become a problem, but by having it source, customized and sourced, we now know the installation will go smoothly through a procedure because we know it’s a multimode we know the distance of the cable. We know it’s 16 gauge wire. It’s only one wire. I mean it’s only 16 gauge wire. So you have the power also. I’m not sure where you would be able to find a single wire and the open market that met our requirements. That’s the other thing, I’m not sure how you would,uI’m not sure how many, four wire multimode OM3 16 gauge single cables after getting you remember the GRIDSMART philosophy one cable. So you’re only pulling one cable from the processor to the camera.

Kristen (18:34):

Perfect. Thank you, Carl. DMC says great question from Derek. The one you just answered and I’m wondering about availability and how quickly it can be attained.

Carl (18:51):

I’m sorry. Say that again.

Kristen (18:53):

Uh DMC is wondering about availability. I assume of the cable and how quickly it can be obtained. So maybe you and Michael would both like to chat about that.

Carl (19:07):

Yeah, I’ll let Michael answer, but the cables are in stock with our distributor and it’s basically in stock now, Michael.

Michael (19:19):

Yes, this is Michael at AFL, we worked with GRIDSMART, you know, to set up warehousing where we inventory the cable to be able to deliver it, you know, and the expected lead time for him.

Kristen (19:33):

Perfect. Thank you, gentlemen. DMC also had another question about the tool kit, which Carl, I don’t know if you know this off hand, we may have to respond after the presentation is over, but he’s asking about the dimensions of the toolkit.

Carl (19:52):

Yeah. You know, something that I know it’s 20 pounds. I don’t know. Matt Greenoe is on the line. Matt, do you know off the top of your head, the size of the toolkit? I know you probably have one in your office, I guess not.

Kristen (20:12):

Ah, DM. What we’ll do…

Matt (20:14):

Sorry about that. Actually I don’t know the exact measurements I was trying to to look that up while we were doing the webinar and having trouble finding the drawings, but I would just as an estimate you know, I would say it’s about 16 16 inches by 18 inches or 14 by 16, something like that. And about three inches thick. Those again, I think a laptop, you know, type a satchel or, or case. It’s probably a little bit smaller than your typical, a little laptop bag and it’s got a carrying strap. So it’s, you know, it’s pretty easy to, you know, put it on your shoulder and take it up in the bucket truck. And then the way it folds out, it actually slides over the edge of the bucket truck and a clamps to the ledge of the bucket to secure it while you’re, you can also secure the cable on either side, as it comes in to the little work surface where the Cleaver and all your tools are. So it, it actually makes a really nice sturdy work surface.

Kristen (21:31):

Thank you, Matt, for that elaboration. We do have another question about the toolkit. Can it be used for single mode fiber termination?

Carl (21:41):


Kristen (21:43):

Easy enough. Thank you, Kevin, for that question, you have a question from Dan, what would the outside diameter of the fiber / power cable be?

Carl (21:57):

Michael, do you know that off the top of your head? I know it’s not a lot bigger than it caught.. The CAT5.

Michael (22:04):

It’s 0.42 or 10.7 millimeter.

Kristen (22:10):

Perfect. Thank you. Moving on, Nathan asks, how long will the certification last?

Matt (22:22):

Just like, yeah, just like all our other trainings and certification. I mean the the installers will be trained on GRIDSMART as a, as a basis. And if they haven’t installed and supported and configured GRIDSMART in the past, we would start with the GRIDSMART foundations best practices that are in the ethernet CAT5E uh solutions still apply to the … To the fiber solution. So, you know, we want to make sure everybody has a good foundation on that. Then we would do the fiber certification. Mmm. If you’re doing installs, we don’t expect, you know, you to keep up, you know yeah. You know, hours of training to keep your certification. So, I mean, once you’re training, you’ll receive the certification, you’ll receive, you know, GRIDSMART support when you need it. And so, no, there’s no, there’s no term limit for the certification.

Kristen (23:23):

Perfect. Thank you, Matt. We do have a couple of questions in the chat regarding this webinar today. And it’s recording. I didn’t mention that at the beginning, but we will be sending up a follow up email to everyone that’s in attendance with resource links, a link to Carl’s presentation and a link to today’s recording. So if you wanted to use that for purposes, you may.

Carl (23:47):

The other thing is like, I see this one question, but I like to do this with their team. I’d be happy to do this presentation, a webinar for your team. You know, just your guys. I mean, I’m sitting in my office here kind of bored out of my mind anyway, so I wouldn’t have no problem with doing a webinar for your teams. Do you want for your company or your teams?

Kristen (24:06):

I see that question too. Carl from mr. Mansour if you’d like to email Carl directly, you do see his contact information there. So why don’t you just reach out to Carl and schedule that with him. He said, he’d be happy to help you all out. Moving on. We have a question from Donald what materials were used to construct the outside of the fast connect toolkit as we should not use metallic devices on the outside of our buckets. Is this a concern?

Carl (24:39):

No. We took that into account and you shouldn’t have a problem. I don’t, it is not metallic. I can tell you that I, Matt, do you know what the material exactly is? Where do we have to get Tracy to answer that?

Matt (24:50):

Um I conducted, yeah, we’ll have to get Tracy to, I don’t know what the final material is at this point.

Carl (25:00):

But we did take the fact that we don’t want anybody to get conductive material on the bucket truck.

Kristen (25:06):

Thank you. From Kevin with this new technology, are there plans to add a third camera connection slash report to a GS2 processor?

Carl (25:17):

Not at this time,

Kristen (25:21):

Moving on from Kevin, when do you know a fiber connection is necessary only after a CAT5 installation fails?

Carl (25:32):

Mmm, no. I mean, that’s definitely one reason. One, if you can’t, if you’re exceeding 900 feet or you can put repeaters in every 300 feet, so right there, you’ve got to fit what I call the physical limitations. The other thing is if you’re near how near high power lines. So if you’re up at the camera and you’re getting shocked, you know, you’re close to high power lines, you’re probably going to have a noise problem. So, okay. And then, so those are the two major ways, you know, but in general, Mo this is just me speaking, as you get, Oh, over 300 feet, it’s hard not to go to fiber giving the, how the costs converge and the superior connectivity of a fiber loop. So it’s very hard for me to say anything over 300 feet should not be evaluated for fiber and in a possible implemented because it just eliminates so many problems.

Kristen (26:29):

Thank you, Carl. Next, can we pull the fiber in tight places?

Carl (26:38):

As long, I’m going to turn this over to Michael Olson and because there’s a bending

Carl (26:44):

Radius that I don’t remember off the top of my head, Michael, do you remember what that is?

Michael (26:52):

You know, the, the cable is rated to be pulled at, you know, 600 pounds. You know, when we say tight places, you know, a couple industry standards recommend, you know, a 40% fill rates. You’d probably want about a one inch conduit, but you know, the nineties, the amount of nineties and the couplers being in pretty good shape, or, you know, some factors that you want to consider when pulling it in, but it is rated for 600 pounds. And, you know, as far as maintaining the integrity, it is designed to be pulled in tight places.

Kristen (27:21):

Thank you, Michael. Next from Mark, when will the toolkit be available?

Carl (27:29):

A two part question, the tools from AFL are available now, we are in the final stages of basically of the, I guess, the box, the case, right? The work area, Matt, Matt, do you know, off the top of your head, but I know we’re in the final stages of that and it’s supposed to be available with a certification program,

Matt (27:52):

Right? So, I mean, the official launch will be at INTERSECT which is in October in Knoxville. And you can kind of keep, keep up to date on But as far as, you know, the tool kit with the, you know, the case and everything together we’re finalizing the, you know, all the engineering and the designing, all that, we’ve gone through several you know, prototypes and all of the FAEs will be receiving one. And the next a couple of months or so. So if you’re with your Fae and want to take a look at the entire kit, they should be able to kind of show you what what you would be getting,

Carl (28:39):

But the prior, but the tools from AFL are available today. Michael, what are the lead times on those?

Michael (28:47):

Typically stocked to two weeks. Okay.

Carl (28:50):

Two weeks. Okay.

Kristen (28:53):

The next from Marty, we would like to see a webinar showing the cable and termination. So that’s going to be an elaboration on training guys.

Carl (29:04):

Yes. That is being planned. Actually, this is being planned for the INTERSECT Bootcamps. And I believe that kicks off in July if I’m not mistaken, right.

Kristen (29:18):

That is correct Carl. So we will also include some information in there about upcoming events. As Carl mentioned, INTERSECT boot campus, where we’re taking INTERSECT on the road we plan to go into more in depth training of how to actually terminate the cable cable at those bootcamps. So that’ll be where you first see this. Alrighty, moving on. Have we installed SMARTMOUNT2025 in Florida?

Carl (29:53):


Matt (29:56):


Matt (29:58):

We, we have it will be going through the product approval process or it is currently

Kristen (30:08):

Alrighty. Moving on. Does this use two fibers full duplex?

Carl (30:16):

Yes. That’s why we have four case. Do you have a break in one? You don’t have to pull up and guys it’s full duplex do fibers. And that’s why the, the composite customized composite cable is four fibers in it. So we have a hundred percent redundancy.

Kristen (30:30):

Thank you, Michael. You already answered this one, but maybe just to nail it home. How strong is the fiber cable and what is the bending radius?

Michael (30:41):

The bend radius, you know, during installation procedures is 6.3 inches. The bend radius for longterm once it’s stored is 4.2. No, the cable has been tested to [inaudible] rated a C E, but it is good for 600 pounds pulling.

Kristen (31:00):

Perfect. Thank you. Orlando has a question. Is the cable jacket able to hold up to rodents chewing on it and or does it have a deterrent?

Michael (31:15):

It’s kind of a loaded question. You know, there is no cable jacket that holds up to rodents chewing on it. You know, even if you use an armored cable with a metallic sheet, you know, there are, they will still chew through it. It’s, it’s the nature of what rodents do this particular cable designed does not have a rodent deterrent in it, however, from a manufacturing position, you know, that is something we can’t offer. You know, I don’t know if I haven’t talked to GRIDSMART about it, but from a manufacturing perspective, it is available.

Kristen (31:46):

Thank you, Michael. We have an anonymous question submitted. So a 2000 distance from camera to processor. How do you see these cameras being used? For example, could they be used for ramp queuing or RR advanced warning?

Carl (32:05):

We still see the cameras being used. It’s this is doesn’t change the function of the camera. It’s really designed for the large intersection. So it’ll still do the basic functions that we do. You know, it does basically detection. It does data and it will let you use streams of the function of the camera. It hasn’t changed at all. It just lets you move the camera further away in some of these large intersections where you don’t have for lack of a better word, you know, over 300 feet before you have a pull box or some of it’s it does. So it just lets take the existing functions of the camera today and let you put them in by much greater distance at a much higher reliability.

Kristen (32:50):

Perfect. Thank you.

Carl (32:53):

I want to add if you noticed there was absolutely no difference between the GS2 and the process or at all that, between a CAT5 and a fiber it’s the exact same product there’s nothing has changed. It’s literally just those the cable and the media converters, or it plays the junction box, the EPM and the fiber and the CAT5E. I’m sorry. So nothing has changed. So functionality, nothing changes.

Kristen (33:19):

Perfect. we have a question from Kevin is the 2025 setup going to be standard or, well, the CAT5E installations continue to be available.

Carl (33:32):

The cat five E installations will still be available for the foreseeable future.

Kristen (33:40):

Thank you, Michael has another question. Are you splicing or connecting SOCs?

Carl (33:46):

We are okay. We are terminating definitely not splicing. We are terminating period. The cable’s a solid, you know, you, you know, you have to be careful here too. I always use the term if you miss by an inch, you miss by a mile. So when you order the fiber cable, you have to have the right distance because we are not supporting splicing. We are only terminating to the connectors, Michael

Michael (34:13):

It’s the field installable connector or mechanical splice. You know, we didn’t look at doing a splice on connector, but you know what that meant that it requires, you know, capital investment for a fusion splicer. So for the application and the ease of termination, you know, with all the solutions considered, this was we found the easiest and the most efficient method without a large capital expense.

Kristen (34:37):

Thank you. Alrighty. Next question. What’s the cost difference between CAT5E versus fiber

Carl (34:46):

It’s inter intersection dependent depending on length. What you need to do is get with your FAE and original sales managers, but I can just tell him the longer the distance, the more the the cost of them converge. But again, it’s, it’s very intersect dependent depending on the distance, the number of repeaters, et cetera. So the best way to answer that question is working with your region, your Fae, to do a site survey and regional sales manager.

Kristen (35:14):

And, you can visit our website to figure out who your regional sales manager is or reach out to us And we’d be happy to connect you to the right person next from Derek, will the media converters be available separately? So existing intersections could be upgraded.

Carl (35:39):

What we have is, and again, an original sales manager will work with you, but the answer is we have what we call a retrofit program. So we have an existing intersection. You want to retrofit towards from CAT5 to fiber. We have that program, you work with your regional sales manager and it does exist.

Kristen (36:00):

Perfect from DM. What is the cable weight for a max 2000 distance run from GS2 to camera? Assuming requirement of one consistent run.

Carl (36:17):

Michael helped me here. What is it? Thousands.

Michael (36:19):

Yeah, I don’t know the exact weight. You know, just the weight on the table itself is 77 pounds per thousand feet and the school, I don’t have the exact weight on it. It should, it would not be, I would, I would estimate between, you know, 175 to 200 pounds,

Carl (36:37):

We have installed this and the FAEs are able to basically do it manually. It didn’t require a special equipment.

Kristen (36:47):

Thank you from Richard or the media converters standard EtherWAN products,

Carl (36:52):

No, they were developed by ether and using their technology, but they’ve been customized to support the GRIDSMART system.

Kristen (37:02):

Thank you

Kristen (37:03):

From Marty. The issue is a proprietary cable to GRIDSMART and having to terminate in the field. So not really a question, but more of a comment. Did you want to,

Carl (37:14):

I agree. I agree with you 100%. That was the problem. When we started looking at, at implementing fiber, it was exactly that, and that’s why we got on board early with AFL, as we developed a toolkit, the work bench and everything else. I agree with you a hundred percent, but the advantage is in my opinion, since I’m responsible for support the advantages of having a closed system with a custom cable in my mind out way that this, the advantages of having an open cable one, we wanted only one cable, two, I wanted redundancy. And three, I wanted to be able to build an attenuation model that I, that I could, that we could basically with one measurement confirm if we had a good termination or not. So the advantage of one with a proprietary cable just seemed out way, the advantages that are having, if you could find one, a what I call a non-proprietary cable again, sit in opinion.

Kristen (38:19):

Alrighty. And lastly, it’s just simply a request. And we’ve had a few of these coming in for a webinar on how to connect the cables. So some people are very interested in additional training. And as we’ve said, we will follow up this email with some and some helpful links and we’ll be launching training for SMARTMOUNT2025 installation at INTERSECT in October of this year.

Kristen (38:47):

Um, from DM is the cost of the system being sold at the same rate nationwide.

Carl (38:53):


Kristen (38:59):

Alrighty. It looks like I’m just looking here. We had a couple of questions come into the chat, so I want to make sure that we answered all of those. It looks like most of them have kind of a final call for questions. We do have a little bit more time. So if you want to keep them coming in, please do one from Chris just came in. I assume the standard fiber splicing would be required if a long run is damaged.

Carl (39:31):

I I’m gonna let Michael over an AFL answer that my opinion is, you know, if, if you don’t have the equipment, you know, worst cases, it’s a 2000 foot cable. I would pull the cable. But again, Michael, I don’t know what it takes to do splicing. So I’ll let you answer that what the cost of the equipment and all that is. But I would just pull a cable,

Michael (39:52):

You know, just from a technical perspective, if it’s damaged, you do have the option to repair the damage, put a splice point in it. But there, there are a lot of factors to consider with that. If you’ve got an, a flag, do you have a location to manage the splice point? Normally under these circumstances, would it not exceeding 2000 feet, it would be the best practice to pull a new cable. It would probably be the quickest timewise. It would be, you know, the most sustainable as far as longterm, you know, you’re kind of adding more pain points by putting a splice in line there and then it would require some specialized tools. So I think it would be a best practice to pull one in based on time costs, you know, all things considered.

Kristen (40:34):

Thank you from Daryl. Does the power limiting cable.

Kristen (40:41):

Is it shielded and does it have a drain wire?

Carl (40:45):

No, it is not shielded and it does not need a drain wire. The drain wire is used to protect the ethernet signals, which in this case, our fiber, which are optical. So you don’t want to have, you don’t need to, you don’t need to shield slash drain wire.

Kristen (41:02):

Perfect. someone asks of during grounding and electrical storms. Can you briefly go over the winery again?

Carl (41:12):

Yes. It’s relatively simple here. The the media converter has a surge protection in it. So what you do is that is set up to be grounded on both the traffic cabinet and on the on the, basically the mask arm where the camera is. So what you’re doing here is you’re grounding the surge protections. You don’t have the ground now anymore for, for shielding or for, you know, for the electrical, for the, I call the AC or the ethernet signal. It’s your only now grounding for the surge protections in the meeting converter. So it’s a simple, same thing, 10, 10 gauge wire at the traffic cabinet to to ground. And then you ground at the pool the same way you did with the CAT5E But again, you’re only grounding now for surge protection, a place for that energy to go to ground and no longer grounding for shielding or to protect eithernet signals.

Kristen (42:09):

We have one in from Derek is the cable 600 volt rated

Carl (42:16):


Michael (42:19):

Ooh. Yeah. I would have to defer to you on that one. Carl. I know you did some calculations. Yeah. An average for the 16 gauge.

Carl (42:31):

Yeah. I’ll need to look on that to be honest. Oh, I need to look. I know it’s a 16 gauge and I just don’t off the top of my head. Remember why? I just, I, I don’t know if they’ll buy it. I was hoping you knew Michael, but I, I honestly don’t know that one off the top of my head

Kristen (42:51):

Derek, you have Carl’s contact information there. So if that’s a question that you need to answer, just go ahead and email Carl directly. And once he finds that data, he can get it over to you. Thank you guys so much for all of your great questions coming in. We do have a little bit more time. So if you have any more, please go ahead and submit them in the Q and a now. It’s not every day that we have Carl and Michael and Derek all on the line. So please go ahead and submit your questions now, Marvin Haslin, is there a troubleshooting manual on the device?

Carl (43:31):

Yes. Well actually there’s a couple of things, but the major thing that we have, because like, again, it’s a closed system. We have a very, very detailed installation procedure that basically would serve as a troubleshooting guide. It has the information or where to look and where the problems are, but the good news is if you go through the installation procedure you’ll know there are different steps where you do test along the way. So that’s all incorporated into the installation, what I call the installation procedure or the installation guide.

Kristen (44:07):

All right, whoever anonymous is there, they’ve got jokes and they’re asking how much fiber does it take for a healthy diet? I don’t know if Carl, Michael or Derek are qualified to answer that question.

Carl (44:17):

Well, the truth of the matter is I don’t, I have a very low fiber diet itself. I’m probably not the right person to ask.

Kristen (44:31):

Dan has a question is the Fast Mount toolkit required for termination of the fiber strands?

Carl (44:40):


Michael (44:41):

That, no, it does not require a fan of the type of cable. Yeah, that’s a great, that’s a great question. You know, if you’re familiar with fiber you use a fan out kit on a loose tube cable, and they can be a pain in the butt, but we went with a tight buffer cables to eliminate the use of a fan out kit. Carl had actually,

Carl (45:04):

Oh, no, I’m sorry. No, I misread the question. You’re absolutely right. Our first time around, we try to fan out, get, and that’s why we read the, find it without it. I’m sorry. I thought that said tool kit my bad.

Michael (45:17):

So no, no need to use pan out kit.

Carl (45:19):

No, but there is a need to use our termination kit or tool kit.

Michael (45:25):


Kristen (45:25):

And as Carl stated earlier we will have links to the AFL site for all of the items within the FastCONNECT tool kit. When we send out the resources link after this presentation, just a couple more minutes here, we’ll allow you guys to submit your questions. If you don’t get them in today, go ahead and jot down. Carl’s contact information. We’re all working remotely at this time. So he’s got a lot of free time on his hands and he loved to get with you guys on SMARTMOUNT2025.

Carl (46:01):

Hi, thank you, Kristen.

Kristen (46:07):

Mr. Mansour says thank you and get by everybody. So 

Kristen (46:13):

Dan says he uses AFL Fast Mount Connectors and he thinks they’re awesome. So thanks Michael for that

Carl (46:19):

Actually after I evaluated a bunch on the market. So do I, I agree with you, Dan.

Kristen (46:27):

Kevin asks about the event in October. We still planning on moving forward with it, Kevin and I assume that you are asking about INTERSECT. The answer is yes, we will be sending out an email about how to register for that event in the coming days. Even if we can’t do it onsite, as we normally do in Knoxville, we will be going digital with the event. We will still have digital training sessions that will qualify for tarp points and all of the good stuff that you normally get at INTERSECT, but it will all be done digitally.

Michael (47:03):

You know, just to add one thing to the comment about the connectors there, there were a couple of connectors considered, you know the fact is that that led to using the AFL fast, connects where, you know, the reliability, when we temperature, cycled them and the environmental chamber, we got good, consistent results. Also the fact that it doesn’t require any proprietary tools to put the connectors on. And then also if you, if you do terminate one and you don’t get a good connection, you have the ability to remove the connector and terminated again. So it’s not a onetime use connector. So if you put it on there, it doesn’t test out properly, you release it. We terminated again. So you can use a connector a couple of times.

Carl (47:42):

And like Michael said, all of that will be covered in great detail in the certification class. That you’ll go, that you’ll take, this has all gone in great detail. Oh, the other nice thing about AFL by the way, and their products is their apps. Lab is only two hours from GRIDSMART Knoxville, which has come in handy during the development. That’s the other thing. So if we ever do have any problems there, reliability and failure analysis lab is literally a two hour drive from Knoxville, which turned out to be during a development. Very, very useful. We learned a lot.

Kristen (48:19):

Great. Well, I think we’re gonna wrap it up everyone again. We want to thank you for attending today’s webinar. And we look forward to sharing more with you. As we progress with SMARTMOUNT2025, we will follow up with that resources, email for you. If you attended today’s webinar, we’ll make sure to add you to the list for any SMARTMOUNT2025 communications so that you can learn more about our training program. Thank you all and have a wonderful afternoon.

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